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KingAlkaiser · Apr 02, 2012, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Hello I have been curious about this because i purchased nightfall ercently and made monk/dervish/paragon ( i find paragon extremely lacking tho and might delete)

but my primary character has always been necromancer. I find it sometimes that playing with necromancer main is not as great as having one as a hero, not to mention i get bored running ss/minion master.

(p.s- i hear they added a way to macro or press a button to quickly click on minions is this true? or a minion icon?)

so anyways what is the best hero for doing a ton for solo stuff/running as well as being good for end game stuff like hall of heroes/urgoz warren/etc?

1)how is dervish nowadays i keep reading they are a bit overpowered? mine is only level 5 but i never got chance to fully try it out. One of my favorite characters has always been druids type character from diablo 2 and was happy to see dervish "transform" into something are "transforming" dervish builds viable?

2) I also keep hearing from friends recommend assasin because they can solo almost everything and are good for endgame, is this better off than dervish?

3) how are pet rangers nowadays? i hear they got buffed a lot but one of the problems i found before was that you either go all out on pets and i feel like my character just stands there doing nothing or providing slow dps while pet does a ton of dmg single target or hybrid lack a bit of both worlds.

4)will paragon ever get buffed? I always also like spear wielding characters and i also enjoy support, but paragons feel like its either imbagon or gtfo and very little way to build them because any other class can do whatever they can better. which is the ultimate support character that has nice variety? protection monks where fun as hell and also that spirit spammer one.

any information is greatly appreciated.

lord norke · Apr 02, 2012, 10:46 PM // 22:46

you can press "y" to check on your spirits and minions.

the rest of your question is mostly based on opinion, any profession can do everything part of the game with 7 heroes. Paragons can do stuff besides spam "save yourself", and they even have their place in pvp. Solo farming builds are available if you look around the web

ruk1a · Apr 02, 2012, 11:34 PM // 23:34

If you like the dervish forms go with that, they are in a good spot now and have some fun mechanics like flash enchantments, your goal is to enchant yourself and use other spells and attacks to remove those enchants for the end effects which is usually AoE conditions/damage.

Dervish has multiple forms, all are humanoid though.

You can play with w/e you want, 7 heroes are OP.

Star_Jewel · Apr 02, 2012, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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so anyways what is the best hero for doing a ton for solo stuff/running as well as being good for end game stuff like hall of heroes/urgoz warren/etc?

Check GWPvX.com and look at the meta farming/speed clear builds for both solo and teams. That will give you the best idea of what's being used right now. Having a stable of characters at your disposal is the most useful, though.

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1)how is dervish nowadays i keep reading they are a bit overpowered?

Dervishes got an update about a year ago -- they're much better and more fun now. You can maintain forms and many are very useful. So, yes, you can play a form-shifting dervish quite viably these days. Dervishes also make excellent runners.

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2) I also keep hearing from friends recommend assasin because they can solo almost everything and are good for endgame, is this better off than dervish?

Assassins do have a slight advantage by having established places in a lot of speed clear teams.

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3) how are pet rangers nowadays? i hear they got buffed a lot
4)will paragon ever get buffed?

Rangers and paragons are the two remaining classes that the community wants buffed. The developers keep saying that they're looking at them (as well as smonks), but at the moment they're a bit stuck in a rut. That said, they can fill a hall and get GWAMM.

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which is the ultimate support character that has nice variety? protection monks where fun as hell and also that spirit spammer one.

Depends on the situation. There's almost always a place for a monk on an end-game team. Rits can support/heal, and also have their place in many end-game teams. Necros can kind of fill the support role, too, thanks to their e-management, but I don't think that's common in end-game meta. And E/Mos see some spots in elite teams with Ether Renewal.

Thenameless Wonder · Apr 03, 2012, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by KingAlkaiser

Hello I have been curious about this because i purchased nightfall ercently and made monk/dervish/paragon ( i find paragon extremely lacking tho and might delete)

but my primary character has always been necromancer. I find it sometimes that playing with necromancer main is not as great as having one as a hero, not to mention i get bored running ss/minion master.

(p.s- i hear they added a way to macro or press a button to quickly click on minions is this true? or a minion icon?)

so anyways what is the best hero for doing a ton for solo stuff/running as well as being good for end game stuff like hall of heroes/urgoz warren/etc?

1)how is dervish nowadays i keep reading they are a bit overpowered? mine is only level 5 but i never got chance to fully try it out. One of my favorite characters has always been druids type character from diablo 2 and was happy to see dervish "transform" into something are "transforming" dervish builds viable?

2) I also keep hearing from friends recommend assasin because they can solo almost everything and are good for endgame, is this better off than dervish?

3) how are pet rangers nowadays? i hear they got buffed a lot but one of the problems i found before was that you either go all out on pets and i feel like my character just stands there doing nothing or providing slow dps while pet does a ton of dmg single target or hybrid lack a bit of both worlds.

4)will paragon ever get buffed? I always also like spear wielding characters and i also enjoy support, but paragons feel like its either imbagon or gtfo and very little way to build them because any other class can do whatever they can better. which is the ultimate support character that has nice variety? protection monks where fun as hell and also that spirit spammer one.

any information is greatly appreciated.

Any profession can get the 30/30 HoM. What you need (optimally) is all campaigns, some years on your account to get you mini's, basic playthroughs and some max pve titles, a few elite areas ran, some armor, weapons and hero armor to reach 30/50. There is no one profession that can run it better than the rest, it all depends though on how you are setup around your character.

Hero dervishes are good. Dervishes now have instant, flash, enchantments and this makes scythe attacks that have an extra effect when removing and enchantment the more useful. Transformations aren't preferred to vow of strength in a common cookie cutter teambuild.

Yes, assassin can do all. Tank, dps whatever. I'd stay more to an assassin if your goal is to speed clear (otherwise go with deadly arts or dagger mastery to run a damage build).

Pets get 33% less damage and attack faster but you need a lot of them to spread damage but one pet works well as a tank if you set up your team accordingly.

The paragon works it's best when it's with other paragons. Imbagon is your choice of the best prot build that isn't from a caster profession but again that's boring. Um,... I mean I don't use a paragon, I just use it's command line on a different profession.
St (soul twisting) rit provides excellent protection as does a ER (ether renewal) ele Bonder. Not too much of prot monk per say (at least that I use).

Quack530 · Apr 03, 2012, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I think you should seriously consider a monk. I think they're at a disadvantage playing with heroes. But you have to keep something important in mind. If you're going for 50/50 in your hall, you're going to want to go for the zaishen title for your PvP statue, and a good monk will get you on a team quick. That aside, Paragon imba's are also picked up quick on zaishen mission teams. If you're going for the 50/50 I hate to say it, but avoid ranger, and warrior because they're undesirable in most PuGs. It's sad but true.

Relyk · Apr 03, 2012, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Assassin is the best profession playing solo with heroes.

Gabs88 · Apr 03, 2012, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Assassin is the best profession playing solo with heroes.

Kind of unqualified statement.

Assassins are extremely squishy for their role as frontman, which often means you end up bringing a ST prot or ER prot character just to keep them alive reliably.

A R/A Escape Daggers ranger moves faster from target to target, has a more easily available long lasting IMS, and the 20-25 or so less DPS it does unbuffed compared to a primary assassin is easily made up for by dropping some prot in favor of some more damage.

Pious Restoration dervish might actually be even better then that again, surviving on a high basic armor level from the start. Dealing tons of AOE damage with easy access to deep wound that brings the single target to good levels too. And it has much higher armor then assassin when it's enchanted, which pretty much is always. Though with a scythe knowing how to quarterstep is a significant advantage.

Enduring Axe warriors are right up there at the top too. With easy access to AoE damage on demand, good single target DPS and deep wound. And provided you know how to quarterstep it's easy to get around using flail too.

Claiming assassins are best is plain silly, I play all of these classes and whenever I think one is getting ahead I find an area where it turns out to be completely wrong. Physicals apart from Paragons are all top contenders with the right build and they're generally so well balanced it's almost scary.

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I think you should seriously consider a monk. I think they're at a disadvantage playing with heroes. But you have to keep something important in mind. If you're going for 50/50 in your hall, you're going to want to go for the zaishen title for your PvP statue, and a good monk will get you on a team quick. That aside, Paragon imba's are also picked up quick on zaishen mission teams. If you're going for the 50/50 I hate to say it, but avoid ranger, and warrior because they're undesirable in most PuGs. It's sad but true.

Then again, pugs are generally so much worse then simply playing with heroes it's downright scary! And the fact that they choose to go with 2 monks and a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing imbagon on top is a big part of the reason this is true. Along with their unqualified love for crappy builds such as SS necros.

Zaishen pug players are the most terrible players in this game.

KingAlkaiser · Apr 03, 2012, 05:30 PM // 17:30

thank you very much guys for the information.

Dar Drakor · Apr 04, 2012, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Just go with a dervish. I reached GWAMM and 30/30 on my derv prior to the skill upheavel and had no problems.

ultimak719 · Apr 04, 2012, 12:06 PM // 12:06

I agree with Relyk. Assassins are versatile, excellent damage, and with proper heroes, are simply tanks.

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Assassins are extremely squishy for their role as frontman, which often means you end up bringing a ST prot or ER prot character just to keep them alive reliably.

If you are playing an elite area you need this anyway. "I am unstoppable" also fixes this.

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A R/A Escape Daggers ranger moves faster from target to target, has a more easily available long lasting IMS

Shadowsteps/fall back.

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Pious Restoration dervish might actually be even better then that again, surviving on a high basic armor level from the start. Dealing tons of AOE damage with easy access to deep wound that brings the single target to good levels too.

DB spam, SoH, Find their weakness.

The majority of my counter arguments are based on the heroes and using them effectively, which brings us back to what Relyk said, Assassin is the best profession playing solo with heroes. They reliably deal much faster and larger damage than a dervish and ranger, and because this game is balanced for a team, why not bring a team that is balanced around you?

Apr 02, 2012, 09:28 PM // 21:28	#1
KingAlkaiser Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2010 Guild: One Shot Killers Profession: N/Me	What is the best/easiest character to complete HoM requirement solo...? Hello I have been curious about this because i purchased nightfall ercently and made monk/dervish/paragon ( i find paragon extremely lacking tho and might delete) but my primary character has always been necromancer. I find it sometimes that playing with necromancer main is not as great as having one as a hero, not to mention i get bored running ss/minion master. (p.s- i hear they added a way to macro or press a button to quickly click on minions is this true? or a minion icon?) so anyways what is the best hero for doing a ton for solo stuff/running as well as being good for end game stuff like hall of heroes/urgoz warren/etc? 1)how is dervish nowadays i keep reading they are a bit overpowered? mine is only level 5 but i never got chance to fully try it out. One of my favorite characters has always been druids type character from diablo 2 and was happy to see dervish "transform" into something are "transforming" dervish builds viable? 2) I also keep hearing from friends recommend assasin because they can solo almost everything and are good for endgame, is this better off than dervish? 3) how are pet rangers nowadays? i hear they got buffed a lot but one of the problems i found before was that you either go all out on pets and i feel like my character just stands there doing nothing or providing slow dps while pet does a ton of dmg single target or hybrid lack a bit of both worlds. 4)will paragon ever get buffed? I always also like spear wielding characters and i also enjoy support, but paragons feel like its either imbagon or gtfo and very little way to build them because any other class can do whatever they can better. which is the ultimate support character that has nice variety? protection monks where fun as hell and also that spirit spammer one. any information is greatly appreciated.

Apr 02, 2012, 10:46 PM // 22:46	#2
lord norke Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2011	you can press "y" to check on your spirits and minions. the rest of your question is mostly based on opinion, any profession can do everything part of the game with 7 heroes. Paragons can do stuff besides spam "save yourself", and they even have their place in pvp. Solo farming builds are available if you look around the web Last edited by lord norke; Apr 02, 2012 at 10:49 PM // 22:49..

Apr 02, 2012, 11:34 PM // 23:34	#3
ruk1a Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Location: UR MOM LOL Guild: ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES Profession: A/	If you like the dervish forms go with that, they are in a good spot now and have some fun mechanics like flash enchantments, your goal is to enchant yourself and use other spells and attacks to remove those enchants for the end effects which is usually AoE conditions/damage. Dervish has multiple forms, all are humanoid though. You can play with w/e you want, 7 heroes are OP.

Apr 03, 2012, 09:14 AM // 09:14	#6
Quack530 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Detroit, MI, USA Guild: Clan Etenal Legion [CEL] Profession: Me/	I think you should seriously consider a monk. I think they're at a disadvantage playing with heroes. But you have to keep something important in mind. If you're going for 50/50 in your hall, you're going to want to go for the zaishen title for your PvP statue, and a good monk will get you on a team quick. That aside, Paragon imba's are also picked up quick on zaishen mission teams. If you're going for the 50/50 I hate to say it, but avoid ranger, and warrior because they're undesirable in most PuGs. It's sad but true.

Apr 03, 2012, 09:26 AM // 09:26	#7
Relyk Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2008 Profession: W/	Assassin is the best profession playing solo with heroes.

Apr 03, 2012, 05:30 PM // 17:30	#9
KingAlkaiser Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2010 Guild: One Shot Killers Profession: N/Me	thank you very much guys for the information.

Apr 04, 2012, 12:18 AM // 00:18	#10
Dar Drakor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2008 Guild: Ancient Dragon Disciples [ADD] Profession: N/A	Just go with a dervish. I reached GWAMM and 30/30 on my derv prior to the skill upheavel and had no problems.